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webgeek - Jul 05, 2017 - 05:22 AM
Post subject: TDF: Demare should be DQ'd, not Sagan
Demare swerved left into a guy's wheel and almost took out that rider.
That guy, whoever it was, did some great bike handling to stay up.
therider - Jul 05, 2017 - 02:21 PM
Post subject: RE: TDF: Demare should be DQ
What's telling about THAT specific event is that the "guy", while performing that great bike handling, shifted his weight and body position in almost the exact same manner that Sagan did after Cav tried to push him back over to the left. So it appears Sagan was trying to push Cav into the barriers when he was simply trying to compensate for the contact and stay upright. IMO.
webgeek - Jul 05, 2017 - 05:02 PM
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Velo News has the best shot.
Sagan clearly holds his line.
As 'theRider' pointed out;
Demare blatantly and aggressively rides into the guy to his left.
This is a TDF black eye, tainted view of them stealing the attention from Sagan...
the most colorful rider/personality in the race.
Just more francophile insanity, petty bias and bigotry, maybe?
IMO, Sagan should be reinstated with his 2nd 2017 TdF win.

https://j.gifs.com/DRmVKy.gif

http://www.velonews.com/2017/07/commentary/jury-wrong-sagans-dsq_442744
TimH - Jul 05, 2017 - 08:34 PM
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webgeek wrote:
This is a TDF black eye, tainted view of them stealing the attention from Sagan...



Not really a surprise.

Sagan's "Colorful" off bike actions and words have not endeared him to race organizers and they have been looking for an excuse.

Cipollini acted similarly and there was a lot of fallout. He was formally and informally non-invited, fined, disqualified, banned and there were several false retirements.

Nothing new here.


-Tim-
webgeek - Jul 05, 2017 - 08:34 PM
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Interesting to watch the rider/bike shadows on the pavement.
They show the actual relative position, which is tricky to determine in a long telephoto shot.
MrBigStuff - Jul 05, 2017 - 08:44 PM
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Today's coverage had a great zoomed in shot of the whole deal. Sagan's elbow moving to the outside never touched Cavendish. In fact, you could clearly see Cavendish leaned in heavily on Sagan and was in the process of going down before the elbow came out. Cavendish's left arm was inside and behind Sagan's right arm. It looked to me that Sagan was moving his right arm and elbow outwards to keep from "hooking" Cavendish's arm. It definitely looked "bad" in real time, but if you are reviewing the video to determine a judgement on sending someone home, you should be looking at it in close detail. Unless, of course, as WG states there are other "agendas" in play. Funny how Griepel was all over Sagan bringing up "misdeeds" from the end of Stage 3 (Sagan's win) and piling on in the Stage 4 aftermath, yet was walking back his comments after seeing the video. Sagan being dismissed opens up the green jersey competition for riders like Griepel...just sayin.

Of the riders interviewed about Sagan's dismissal, those who commented stated there have been much worse occurrences without disqualifications.

Everyone knew this was going to be a bunch sprint (Tour organizers, teams, announcers, etc). The world's best sprinters packed into a relatively narrow finish and is anyone surprised there was a crash? Or other shenanigans like Demare blatantly moving left? I believe it was Gerant Thomas who stated the rest of the sprint finishes had better be reviewed by the same critical eye.
rlaz - Jul 05, 2017 - 11:38 PM
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Definitely don't think Sagan should have been disqualified but neither should have Demare. It seems we see this type of riding in sprints all the time with no hysterical outcry. I think it was just incompetence (and maybe a little bit of agenda) on the UCI's part. It's embarrassing how crooked and incompetent cycling's and soccer's (UCI and FIFA) governing bodies are. Compared to them Roger Goodell of the NFL and Adam Silver of the NBA look like fine upstanding men.
therider - Jul 06, 2017 - 03:10 PM
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TimH wrote:



Not really a surprise.

Sagan's "Colorful" off bike actions and words have not endeared him to race organizers and they have been looking for an excuse.


-Tim-


Why is that? I thought his popularity would bring new interest in the sport. Is it just that the organizers are a bunch of uptight old men??
webgeek - Jul 06, 2017 - 07:47 PM
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Of course, sponsorship had nothing to do with the decision

http://www2.dimensiondata.com/tourdefrance/analytics-in-action

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=2&v=rbBz_qlazho
webgeek - Jul 25, 2017 - 06:16 AM
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These guys show that Cav hit a drain in the gutter.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mL8njAL6n5Y
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